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Did Ian know?

Postby Martin III » Thu Dec 06 2007 1:10am

Ever the blank, anonymous hero, Ian shows no reaction to Mishaela's revelation that he is Max's nephew. Not surprise at the fact, not anxiety at Max finding out, not nonchalance at both.

So. Did Ian know all along that Kane was his father, or not? Both facts and opinions are welcome...
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Merdor » Thu Dec 06 2007 7:42am

Isn`t the point of silent protagonist that you, the player, should react to such things?
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Aldur » Thu Dec 06 2007 2:56pm

Max didn't react to anything in LOGI either. If you call Ian Bland, then so is Max.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Alpha » Thu Dec 06 2007 4:43pm

In fact, most Heroes don't say anything when you're 'playing' them. Bowie says a couple of things, nods a bit. Max has his final egress speech.

A point of interest here would be an example from SF3. When you play as Sybios you get the "..." and Medion has speech. But when you play as Medion and see the same conversation you'd get when playing Synbios, this time Medion has the "..." and you can see what Synbios says (albeit being in japanese).

It's always possible Ian already knew about Kane being his father, but didn't noise about it.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Martin III » Fri Dec 07 2007 12:49am

Aldur @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:56 pm) wrote: Max didn't react to anything in LOGI either. If you call Ian Bland, then so is Max.


Read my post again. The word is "blank". And when did I say Ian didn't react to anything, or that that was my sole basis for describing him the way I did? (I'm not sure why you're so confident I'd object to calling Max bland, either.)

There are plenty of ways to react besides talking. Communication is only about 35% verbal or vocal.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Aldur » Fri Dec 07 2007 12:54am

Then Bowie has the most character. lol
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Alpha » Fri Dec 07 2007 1:51am

Aldur @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:54 pm) wrote: Then Bowie has the most character. lol

That really is quite funny.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Demonic Weasel » Fri Dec 07 2007 3:44am

I dunno. Seems to me that offering pedantic statements about the characterazations of the other heroes in the Shining series slightly misses the point of the topic.

Not that I would expect anything better from either Aldur or Alec. But, anyway, I agree with the general attitude pervading from both of them that there's not really much to say here. As Martin (and Aldur) have pointed out, Ian's character really can't be read as he doesn't react to anything particular.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Martin III » Sat Dec 08 2007 3:31am

Yeah, I have to say Aldur, that in spite of puzzling over your comment for several hours, I still don't get it. In case it wasn't clear already, I wasn't trying to make any commentary on the depth of Ian's character. Just asking if any of the astute minds on here have had better success than I in deducing how much Ian knew about his father.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Aldur » Sat Dec 08 2007 8:22pm

It was just that, think of all the little movements and Gestures Bowie makes in SF2. And he talks the most as well. So it's funny really.

And I don't know. I honestly have no idea whether he knew or not about his relation to Max. It doesn't really say anywhere, so for fic purposes or whatever, just go with your own opinion.
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Aldur: Finally it's just us in here
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omega entity: mmm
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geddis the hero: Z what
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Martin III » Sun Dec 09 2007 12:34am

Thanks for explaining. I never noticed that about Bowie... kind of funny. It's Nick who talks the most, though.

This is actually not for fic purposes(or whatever), though I suppose it might one day be. Just curiosity.

One thing I've thought of is that it seems the elder would have told Ian. However, it occurs to me that he might not have precisely known. Perhaps the elder knew Kane was Ian's father, and told Ian, but neither of them realized that Max was his brother. It then took Mishaela to make the connection. Possibly?
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Alpha » Sun Dec 09 2007 12:38am

Ah, but when Nick talks he isn't the Hero of the story. Deanna is.

Similar to my my Synbios/Medion example.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Dominus_Draconis » Wed Apr 16 2008 3:12am

To be fair, Max does talk, but only a few lines in the ending.

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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Diggory » Mon Aug 04 2008 12:44pm

yup, i remember that too.

i was wondering: what if all the Shining Force leaders are related? excluding Synbios and Medion, who already have established fathers who aren't the same as Julian's, and possibly either Nick or Deanna - i'm voting for Deanna being in the Max family tree as he looks more like him, and the Max family don't tend to be royalty. a lot of them have mysterious origins, look and act similar to each other etc. and considering the distance the Shining Force travel in one adventure, they must get around an awful lot. i wouldn't be surprised if they had family in Rune, Palmecia, Cypress etc.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Martin III » Thu Aug 07 2008 2:10am

Nah, I doubt it. Way too much coincidence involved there.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby ehow22 » Sat Oct 17 2009 3:43am

I'm not sure if he knew or not. Wasn't the Elder supposed to be the only one other than Mishaela(and maybe Adam) to know?

I have to agree he didn't show any reaction since you're 'playing' him.

Also, Ian nods 5 or 6 times, I believe.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Martin III » Tue Oct 20 2009 1:25am

ehow22 @ Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:43 am) wrote: I'm not sure if he knew or not. Wasn't the Elder supposed to be the only one other than Mishaela(and maybe Adam) to know?

I don't know. What gave you that impression?
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby ehow22 » Tue Oct 20 2009 2:43am

" I found out about this through Hassan's Elder, and I was surprised too!
Such a thing just can't be, can it?!"- Mishaela....from the script here in SFC.

But there it also says Kane raised his son, but he wasn't alive to do so....so I dunno. He might have know and been forbidden to tell anybody.
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Re: Did Ian know?

Postby Mew seeker » Tue Apr 20 2010 1:08am

Aldur @ Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:56 am) wrote:Max didn't react to anything in LOGI either.

Actually, in the last chapter, with the Japanese text,
when Max run up to Dark sol, it's clear he have an excellent reason to do so.
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