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Postby legalize freedom » Mon Mar 05 2007 1:58pm

I reviewed the Special Attack names and there are many differences between Jumesyn, Home of SF3, and the English Sc.1.

I would estimate half of the Specials have differing names (most after Sc.1). Some are simple and make sense like Press Bomb becoming Pressure Bomb, some are similiar but with different wording like Seal of Sin and Brand of Sin (not worth changing even if another wording is better), but many are totally different to the point that I can't even match them.

I'm considering getting a new translation of all the Specials for all 3 Scenarios and then judge from there. The Sc.2 and 3 only specials will need to be done anyway, so might as well check all of them. I'm guessing that they will end up like the weapons... a mish mash of the english version (for continuity) and the Japanese version (for acuracy). They may even have an effect on the weapon names themselves. For example: I decided to go with Thor Hammer (jap) instead of Power Hammer (eng) since the hammer has a spark special.

I would like opinions on this approach. The standard disclaimer applies. I'm not actively changing all the Specials you know and love, just trying to use the best translation possible (since we all know the English Sc.1 translation was not perfect by a long shot). All changes will be applied to all 3 Scenarios.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Rick » Mon Mar 05 2007 2:49pm

Ankh... possibly the only one I think could be changed would be Thorn Crown Commandment to Holy Commandment

Blades, I like the English Afterburner than the Japanese Heatburner

Claws Wolf Rush -> Beseker Rush?

Swords Dazzle Edge sounds better than Shine Edge

Wings Cross Slash is better than XYZ

thats what I think anyways
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Dorsk8199 » Wed Mar 07 2007 1:20am

As always I would default to the original English translation. I'm not going to go out of my way to burn a new copy of a game I already own in English. So, I'd go with the original translations for anything that crosses over from Scenario I and then with the translation that best describes the special for things new in scenario 2 & 3.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Orange Gort » Wed Mar 07 2007 7:23am

Rick @ Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:49 pm) wrote: Claws Wolf Rush -> Beseker Rush?

I like Beserker Rush.

Not everybody that uses a claw is a wolf. Especially Cyclops.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Swalchy » Wed Mar 07 2007 10:15am

I'd say go with the Japanese version for all the weapons.

Screw how they did it for Eng Scn 1 - twits.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Lord Oddeye sama » Wed Mar 07 2007 11:00am

That or only change the names of those weapons/specials that sound better when accurately translated from japanese. I'm fine either way.

But seriously, every names of Tomahawks own Hand Axes by far, but on the contrary Holy Halberd sounds much better than Brave Halberd to only mention one example. That's how I feel about them anyway. I'll check the names for specials (and for weapons later) and I'll make a list of my favorite ones.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby frynmeli » Thu Mar 08 2007 10:01am

A little bump in case Lord Oddeye has his list ready! I would also vote for staying true to the Japanese original whenever possible so the weapons and their special attacks don't lose their meanings and uniqueness.

If space becomes a problem, I wouldn't mind SoA's occasionally feeble translation attempts, barring the few which make people stare blankly at the screen. I remember how Laguna Lock almost made me brain-dead, and it still chills. Bruce Fist coming from the Pretty Glove had a good shot, too; my mind was spiralling out of control with its 'And the new Miss Hong Kong is Bruce Lee!' ideas.

Just a thought after reading Rick's post: XYZ actually owned me pretty good when I first saw it. I just love that name because instead of sounding random and unimportant like ABC and PQR, it brings depth to the special attack so much so I can imagine the three axes on my TV screen. Or maybe I'm a nerd.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Rick » Thu Mar 08 2007 2:24pm

well, I thought that too, but to me, The movement of the Birdsoldier mimics the slash motion of the second Halberd special...

which is Cross something or other IIRC
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby frynmeli » Fri Mar 09 2007 1:42pm

I'm at the battle against Yasha and the Synbios army, and Cybel just performed a Cross Break on Juubee, or at least that's how I interpreted the katakana.

Cross Break hits twice—across then down—against XYZ's thrice—through, across and then down—but I can see where you're coming from. They do have similarities, I just never thought of them that way. It would make sense to give similar names to similar attacks, like Triangle and Pentagram. Hmmm.

This is off-topic, but fresh from defeating the second pair of Rainbloods, I'm curious about how they're going to be named. On the in-battle status screen I see Queen and Rook instead of Queen Rainblood and Rook Rainblood. Queen and Rook are cool names but Rainblood is even cooler, so I had to ask.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby legalize freedom » Fri Mar 09 2007 1:50pm

Currently they are all simply Rainblood... but we can check the translations.

Pardon frynmeli, but are you interested in helping with some translating?


BTW. I believe the Wolf Rush is a special for Wolfmen only. Other characters have others. The claw has a ton of specials.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby masquirinsears » Fri Mar 09 2007 2:22pm

can you call the claw special for irene and the monks Uppercuts?
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby legalize freedom » Sat Mar 10 2007 4:13am

Here are the choices...

Mega Reap vs. Mega Reaper

Meteor vs. Salamander Throw

Lord Rush vs. Star Rush (Weapon name would change as well)

Flying Dragon Claw vs. Dragon Claw

Sky Claw vs. Air Claw

Heaven Claw vs. Sky Dragon
(wouldn't want to keep both Sky Claw and Sky Dragon)

Phoenix Sky Dance vs. Sky Dance

Jewel Palm vs. Bruce Fist

Ruled Heaven vs. Lured Heaven

Tachion Shot vs. Stone Circle

Apostle Descent vs. Apostle Fire

Freeze Arrow vs. Ice Arrow

Hypno Arrow vs. Mesmer (or Mesmerize) Arrow

Demon Wind vs. Hell Wind

Oni Hyskusoku vs. Ghoul Centipede

Umi Zato vs. Sea Monster

Yellow Spring Road vs. Hades Road

Burst Punch vs. Boost Punch


And here is the full list

Special Attack List


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Re: Special Attacks

Postby frynmeli » Sat Mar 10 2007 7:13am

I wish I were qualified to accept your nice offer, legalize freedom, but I'm only familiar with kana and select kanji. Maybe if you needed Chinese-English help? But Aspartate's better at that, too! Argh.

Also thanks for uploading the list of special attacks, which proved real handy. About those which were specifically mentioned in your post, Flying Dragon Claw, Onihyakusoku and Umizato are the only attacks I feel sound better in the English version. Flying is implied and Japanese names should be translated in the? Translation. Yeah.

After reading the entire list, though, I have more to add. Mega Reap looks suspicious to me; could it be Mega Leap and Boson Lance instead? I also prefer Fata Morgana to Fetamorgana, which is somewhat tied to what I said about Leanan Sídhe against both Ryanan Shii and Shannon Sea in the Opinions thread. The wand special attacks exude such feminine vibes.

That's about all. I'm going to have a look at the Weapon Names thread.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Kazgaroth » Sat Mar 10 2007 10:09am

Is there a list of the specials and their kana?
Cause I could forward you a list from that.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby masquirinsears » Sun Mar 11 2007 12:43pm

legalize freedom @ Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:13 am) wrote: Here are the choices...

Mega Reap vs. Mega Reaper

Meteor vs. Salamander Throw

Lord Rush vs. Star Rush (Weapon name would change as well)

Flying Dragon Claw vs. Dragon Claw

Sky Claw vs. Air Claw

Heaven Claw vs. Sky Dragon
(wouldn't want to keep both Sky Claw and Sky Dragon)

Phoenix Sky Dance vs. Sky Dance

Jewel Palm vs. Bruce Fist

Ruled Heaven vs. Lured Heaven

Tachion Shot vs. Stone Circle

Apostle Descent vs. Apostle Fire

Freeze Arrow vs. Ice Arrow

Hypno Arrow vs. Mesmer (or Mesmerize) Arrow

Demon Wind vs. Hell Wind

Oni Hyskusoku vs. Ghoul Centipede

Umi Zato vs. Sea Monster

Yellow Spring Road vs. Hades Road

Burst Punch vs. Boost Punch


And here is the full list

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Mega Reaper

Meteor

Star Rush

Dragon Claw

Sky Claw

Sky Dragon

(on this one I like Pheonix Fist instead of Pheonix Sky Dance)

Bruce Fist

Lured Heaven

Stone Circle

Ice Arrow

Hypno Arrow

Hell Wind

Oni Hyskusoku

(Sea Serpent sounds cooler than) Sea Monster

(Demon Road sounds better than) Hades Road

that was my choices, but some have changed with my ideas too :shifty:
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Alpha » Sun Mar 11 2007 1:56pm

And here's my two pennies

Mega Reap

Meteor

Star Rush (Weapon name would change as well)

Dragon Claw

Sky Claw

Heaven Claw
(wouldn't want to keep both Sky Claw and Sky Dragon)

Phoenix Sky Dance

Jewel Palm

Ruled Heaven

Tachion Shot

Apostle Fire (though I think Apostle's Fire would be better)

Ice Arrow

Hypno Arrow

Demon Wind

Ghoul Centipede

Sea Monster

Hades Road

Burst Punch
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Orange Gort » Mon Mar 12 2007 10:42am

) Mega Reap
) Salamander Throw
) Lord Rush
) Flying Dragon Call
) Sky Claw
) Heaven Claw
) Sky Dance
) Jewel Palm
) Ruled Heaven/Lured Heaven---Don't really care
) Stone Circle
) Apostle Fire
) Ice Arrow
) Mesmer Arrow
) Demon Wind
) Ghoul Centipede
) Sea Monster
) Hades Road
) Burst Punch

I think that the scenario 1 names should mostly stay the same. I think the scn. 1 names that were japanese should be changed to english like Sea Monster.
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Rick » Mon Mar 12 2007 11:44am

Here are the choices...

Mega Reap vs. Mega Reaper - Mega Reaper

Meteor vs. Salamander Throw - Meteor

Lord Rush vs. Star Rush (Weapon name would change as well) - Star Rush

Flying Dragon Claw vs. Dragon Claw - Dragon Claw

Sky Claw vs. Air Claw - Sky Claw

Heaven Claw vs. Sky Dragon - Heaven Claw
(wouldn't want to keep both Sky Claw and Sky Dragon)

Phoenix Sky Dance vs. Sky Dance - Phoenix Dance?

Jewel Palm vs. Bruce Fist - Jewel Palm

Ruled Heaven vs. Lured Heaven - Ruled Heaven

Tachion Shot vs. Stone Circle - Tachion Shot

Apostle Descent vs. Apostle Fire - Apostle Descent

Freeze Arrow vs. Ice Arrow - Ice Arrow

Hypno Arrow vs. Mesmer (or Mesmerize) Arrow - Mesmerise Arrow

Demon Wind vs. Hell Wind - Hell Wind

Oni Hyskusoku vs. Ghoul Centipede - Oni Hyskusoku

Umi Zato vs. Sea Monster - Umi Zato

Yellow Spring Road vs. Hades Road - Hades Road

Burst Punch vs. Boost Punch - Boost Punch


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Re: Special Attacks

Postby Lord Oddeye sama » Wed Mar 14 2007 11:07am

Time to put in my own choices. (in bold)

Mega Reap vs. Mega Reaper
Meteor vs. Salamander Throw
Lord Rush vs. Star Rush (Weapon name would change as well)
Flying Dragon Claw vs. Dragon Claw
Sky Claw vs. Air Claw
Heaven Claw vs. Sky Dragon (wouldn't want to keep both Sky Claw and Sky Dragon)
Phoenix Sky Dance vs. Sky Dance
Jewel Palm vs. Bruce Fist
Ruled Heaven vs. Lured Heaven

Tachion Shot vs. Stone Circle
Apostle Descent vs. Apostle Fire
(I don't know for those 2... choose the one that is most accurate to the special's graphics. Else I'd say... Tachion Shot or Tachyon Shot, and Apostle Descent.)

Freeze Arrow vs. Ice Arrow
Hypno Arrow vs. Mesmer Arrow
Demon Wind vs. Hell Wind

Oni Hyskusoku vs. Ghoul Centipede
Umi Zato vs. Sea Monster
(Or Ghoul Centipede and Marine Monster if people prefer translating those into english. I would like to keep them in Japanese because they're secret ninja skills. :) )

Yellow Spring Road vs. Hades Road
Burst Punch vs. Boost Punch
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Re: Special Attacks

Postby legalize freedom » Fri Mar 16 2007 4:28am

Here is the current list of Special Attacks. There are some that I would like to get more info on before deciding. Some through a fresh translation and some by watching the graphics of the special (and for some both).

There are also a couple of things I would like more feedback on.

Mirage Palm vs. Buddha Fist

I'm not sure Buddha belongs in the Shining world. Lord Oddeye pointed out there are several other deities in SF as well. (Thor, Thanatos, etc.) But, I'm wondering if those aren't all mythical deities whereas Buddha is an actual religious deity. This is relating the Ebesem monks to Buddist monks. Opinions please.

Ninth Gate vs. Nine Gate

Mesmerize Arrow

I would like to point out (for those that aren't aware) After considering the differences in the UK english vs. the US english I found 2 main differences. The o vs. ou as in Armor vs. Armour and the ise vs. ize as in Mesmerise vs. Mesmerize. I believe the ou and ize versions lend themselves to the Shining world and it is a good (even) comprimize to have one of each. Armour and Mesmerize.

The 2 Katana Specials that are in Japanese should both either be translated or not. Opinions.

I spelled out Penguin for the shared attacks and personalized the others with the Penguins name. I believe this is much nicer.

Thanks to everyone who is getting involved. Thanks for your help.

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