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Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby legalize freedom » Sat Jun 15 2019 2:02am

*updated with Volcano as the special name

I'll get the ball rolling with my first thought.

His original second class was Flare Penguin or something to that effect. His current second class is Champion, which is under consideration to use as the heroes final class.

Currently his personal third special (each penguin has their own third special with any beak) is Penn Dynamo. This is the special where he blasts fire from the top of his head similar to a breath attack.
https://youtu.be/IY8JSCb-GtY?t=1748

I think we can juggle these things to fit better in place.

Dynamo could be a fitting second class and Volcano could be a good name for the special. I suppose it could be just Flare, but was thinking it could reference the fact that is coming out of the top of his head in some way. I've always thought that was an odd name for that special anyway.

Thoughts?
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby sulfuroxp » Sat Jun 15 2019 3:37am

Opinion: stop changing all the original names, it's unnecessary
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby Rune » Sat Jun 15 2019 8:42am

Why change the second class at all? What's the conflict?
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby legalize freedom » Sat Jun 15 2019 1:04pm

Rune wrote:Why change the second class at all? What's the conflict?


Penn's current second class is Champion. If we are to use that for the heroes, his must change.


sulfuroxp wrote:Opinion: stop changing all the original names, it's unnecessary


Some people think that way and some people don't. That's why it's important to vote your opinion when the polls come up. They almost always contain a "legacy option" with the least amount of change necessary.
But we can't make improvements without making changes.
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby Rune » Sat Jun 15 2019 3:04pm

Then I say go back to Flare Penguin.
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby knight0fdragon » Sat Jun 15 2019 3:10pm

sulfuroxp wrote:Opinion: stop changing all the original names, it's unnecessary




1) You are always more than welcome to make your own version of this project
2) “Original name” does not exist. Somebody made an arbitrary decision to use Champion 15 years ago, whether it be a strict translation or loose translation
3) Wanting to polish and perfect the translation is a good thing. It keeps the both the game and the board alive. Why do you want to keep having the same conversation over and over again on these boards? The game is old, nothing new is happening to it.
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby knight0fdragon » Sat Jun 15 2019 3:12pm

legalize freedom wrote:I'll get the ball rolling with my first thought.

His original second class was Flare Penguin or something to that effect. His current second class is Champion, which is under consideration to use as the heroes final class.

Currently his personal third special (each penguin has their own third special with any beak) is Penn Dynamo. This is the special where he blasts fire from the top of his head similar to a breath attack.
https://youtu.be/IY8JSCb-GtY?t=1748

I think we can juggle these things to fit better in place.

Dynamo could be a fitting second class and Flare ______ could be a good name for the special. I suppose it could be just Flare, but was thinking it could reference the fact that is coming out of the top of his head in some way. I've always thought that was an odd name for that special anyway.

Thoughts?



All the penguins should have their race in their class to be consistent with the other specie/race characters like the wolf, dragon, etc
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby Rune » Sat Jun 15 2019 3:46pm

knight0fdragon wrote:
sulfuroxp wrote:Opinion: stop changing all the original names, it's unnecessary


2) “Original name” does not exist. Somebody made an arbitrary decision to use Champion 15 years ago, whether it be a strict translation or loose translation


legalize freedom wrote:His original second class was Flare Penguin or something to that effect.

Awkward...
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby legalize freedom » Sat Jun 15 2019 3:50pm

Rune wrote:Then I say go back to Flare Penguin.


Flare Penguin could work, but is it better than Dynamo (or other)? The only thing Flare about him is his third special, thus my suggestion. If he had Blaze or something, we would've never changed it to begin with.

knight0fdragon wrote:All the penguins should have their race in their class to be consistent with the other specie/race characters like the wolf, dragon, etc


Frank's final class is Berzerker and the birds are Wing Lord. Most do follow that, but I don't see it as intentional (They could have been more creative for the odd beast characters in Sc3). None of the penguins have penguin in their class names except for their first class which is simply Penguin. At any rate it's too long to tack on to the end of their classes.
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby Rune » Sat Jun 15 2019 3:53pm

To be honest, Penn does not strike me as a dynamo. Does he strike me as a flare? No, I admit not. But when neither seems better, I am in favor of original flavor.
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby sulfuroxp » Sat Jun 15 2019 3:57pm

I mean, use the name used in the original game, the japanese version. The only reason to change a name is if the space is insufficient, like in the older games (Hellblast > Blast, Labyrinth Runner > Maze Runner, Mine Breath > Burst, ...)
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby legalize freedom » Sat Jun 15 2019 5:03pm

Rune wrote:To be honest, Penn does not strike me as a dynamo.


On his Kick and esp his Butt, he does this feet-shuffle charge-up thing before striking.
Would you consider that Dynamo-like?
https://youtu.be/IY8JSCb-GtY?t=1737


Here is the original change thread:
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=24590&hilit=penn
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby Rune » Sat Jun 15 2019 6:45pm

No, no I would not.

I would not associate his movements and attacks with a generator nor an energetic person. On a good day, I might think him an old battery.
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby Lord Oddeye sama » Sat Jun 15 2019 8:15pm

Would Penn Volcano work as a special?
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Wargasm @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:26 am wrote:Vous êtes tous douches. J'aime le monde des poissons bleus.

Do you like Shining Force 1? Do you like orchestral remixes? Then this is for you: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24551#p668069
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby knight0fdragon » Sun Jun 16 2019 2:49am

legalize freedom wrote:
Rune wrote:Then I say go back to Flare Penguin.


Flare Penguin could work, but is it better than Dynamo (or other)? The only thing Flare about him is his third special, thus my suggestion. If he had Blaze or something, we would've never changed it to begin with.

knight0fdragon wrote:All the penguins should have their race in their class to be consistent with the other specie/race characters like the wolf, dragon, etc


Frank's final class is Berzerker and the birds are Wing Lord. Most do follow that, but I don't see it as intentional (They could have been more creative for the odd beast characters in Sc3). None of the penguins have penguin in their class names except for their first class which is simply Penguin. At any rate it's too long to tack on to the end of their classes.



Need to get the mindset of "the final class is this" out of your head. Remember, we never got a scenario 3, so we do not know what the American counterparts would be. Scenario 3 was also rushed, so even the Japanese may not have even wanted it to go that way. Haha, this is why you are renaming classes in the first place.
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby Nuburan » Sun Jun 16 2019 5:20am

Let Penn keep champion and make the heroes flare penguins.
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby legalize freedom » Sun Jun 16 2019 1:33pm

Lord Oddeye sama wrote:Would Penn Volcano work as a special?


Volcano is an excellent suggestion and is not used for anything else.
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby DomingoRules! » Sun Jun 16 2019 8:03pm

Nuburan wrote:Let Penn keep champion and make the heroes flare penguins.

Considering one of the world's mightiest gods is a giant bird who lives on Mt. Volcano, is there really any more deserving title for saviors of the world than Flare Penguin? It's like they've been blessed by not only Elbesem, but Volcanon as well.
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby knight0fdragon » Tue Jun 18 2019 8:30pm

Where are the problems with class name, and how many characters estimated are we looking to get here?
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Re: Penn's Potential Second Class

Postby legalize freedom » Sat Jun 22 2019 2:25pm

14 characters is the hard limit. Game will error upon loading.

I have also seen issues when using 13, so I want to keep it to 12 if possible.

Status screen text ghosting is an issue that happens when too many characters are on screen at once. Due to several steps taken previously, this isn't currently an issue, but only barely so. Add even a handful of characters and it could make its return. That said, we will be in the black from the beginning of this because Waltz's is reducing by several characters, so that will help anytime she is on screen.

Shorter is always better and decisions need to respect this. It's a big part of the reason the penguin classes were reduced previously.
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