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David's Classes

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04 2019 1:04pm
by legalize freedom
I'd like to get feedback regarding a possible change to David's classes. His current classes seem odd.

Ranger
Commando
Striker


Striker doesn't seem like final promotion worthy, esp next to all the other grand names. Commando would seem to be a more appropriate final class.

I also noticed plain old Fighter isn't used anywhere in the rest of the game, which would be very fitting given the situation we find him in Stump (basically rebelling and fighting back against the Bulzome Sect).

Here are some possibilities:

Fighter
Ranger
Commando

Ranger
Fighter
Commando

Ranger
Striker
Commando


Please let me know what you think of these or suggest others.

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04 2019 11:11pm
by Special T
I think Fighter, Ranger, Commando is the best combination.

If I'm reading wikipedia correctly it looks like striker is a lower rank so it wouldn't make sense to use that as the final promotion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Navy_enlisted_rates

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06 2019 4:59pm
by Rick
Ranger
Striker
Commando

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06 2019 8:46pm
by DiegoMM
For me Fighter sounds like Zylo, Gerhalt and Frank class, like a Brawler.
So I go too with
Ranger
Striker
Commando

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Fri Feb 08 2019 8:47pm
by knight0fdragon
Was never a fan of him being called a Ranger. That class is normally designated for an archer, not a person who throws other kinds of weapons

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Sun Feb 10 2019 2:21am
by Bulzome
I'd have to agree that "Ranger" doesn't quite seem like an appropriate class for David. I like "Fighter" and "Battler" for his starting class.

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11 2019 6:06am
by knight0fdragon
The closest thing I could find is a Peltast, which is a type of Greek infantryman who specialized in throwing javelins.

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11 2019 4:00pm
by Chinagonuk
I feel like Commando is best for his middle class since he is basically being a commando when he attacks the tank at the end of Scenario 2.

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11 2019 7:33pm
by legalize freedom
Chinagonuk wrote:I feel like Commando is best for his middle class since he is basically being a commando when he attacks the tank at the end of Scenario 2.


That was an early reaction from me also until I realized he led an entire battalion. Commando's are solo specialists, correct?



Knight0fDragon wrote:Was never a fan of him being called a Ranger. That class is normally designated for an archer, not a person who throws other kinds of weapons.


In D&D terms, a Ranger is more of a jack of all weapon types who is in tune with the wilderness. In those terms, David probably fits the bill.

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12 2019 4:36am
by knight0fdragon
we aren't playing D&D, we are playing Shining Force lol. In Shining Force 2, May is a Ranger, and she is a centaur Bowman, which would be Justin if you did not already get him promoted.

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12 2019 7:24pm
by Rune
legalize freedom wrote:
Chinagonuk wrote:I feel like Commando is best for his middle class since he is basically being a commando when he attacks the tank at the end of Scenario 2.


That was an early reaction from me also until I realized he led an entire battalion. Commando's are solo specialists, correct?


I thought the term was more directed at highly trained special ops, with the idea of anyone working solo to be Hollywood nonsense. Doesn't the Hollywood nonsense usually require some ridiculous sequence of events, that causes someone to go solo (like their daughter is kidnapped, command refuses to send anyone, or the rest of their term is killed)?

Also I think Ranger fits in well, if we're using commando in the modern sense, since wikipedia gave me this from the commando page: The US Rangers were founded by Major General Lucian Truscott of the US Army, a liaison officer with the British General Staff. In 1942, he submitted a proposal to General George Marshall that an American unit be set up "along the lines of the British Commandos".

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12 2019 7:30pm
by legalize freedom
Interesting. It looks like they've used Ranger / Bow Knight for the centaur archers, maybe better described as shell users or artillery while the humanoid races use the standard Archer / Sniper classes.

May in SF2 as well as Stock and Graham in SFCD. Lyle from SF1 also would fall into this category, but his official classes were Assault Knight and Strike Knight. So that gives us some more info to draw from.

The fact that David isn't a centaur may be what is driving opinions against Ranger.


Some interesting Commando info on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando
After 1945
After World War II there was much publicity about the deeds of "the commandos"; many civilians reading these accounts, guessing a meaning from the context, thought in error that the singular "a commando" meant one man, and that usage became general.

It would be interesting to tie his class to Israel's commandos given the real world David, but I didn't see anything suitable...

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12 2019 7:56pm
by MXC
Green Beret is another term that comes to mind.

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13 2019 5:21am
by knight0fdragon
Rune wrote:
Also I think Ranger fits in well, if we're using commando in the modern sense, since wikipedia gave me this from the commando page: The US Rangers were founded by Major General Lucian Truscott of the US Army, a liaison officer with the British General Staff. In 1942, he submitted a proposal to General George Marshall that an American unit be set up "along the lines of the British Commandos".



Personally, I do not think we should be using modern definitions of anything, because in modern warfare, everybody is an "archer" since guns are the primary weapon now in a skirmish. The only reason I would even agree with using Commando is for the special forces type definition of it, as it is seen as somebody who possesses a wide range of skills.

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13 2019 5:24am
by knight0fdragon
legalize freedom wrote:Interesting. It looks like they've used Ranger / Bow Knight for the centaur archers, maybe better described as shell users or artillery while the humanoid races use the standard Archer / Sniper classes.

May in SF2 as well as Stock and Graham in SFCD. Lyle from SF1 also would fall into this category, but his official classes were Assault Knight and Strike Knight. So that gives us some more info to draw from.

The fact that David isn't a centaur may be what is driving opinions against Ranger.


Some interesting Commando info on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando
After 1945
After World War II there was much publicity about the deeds of "the commandos"; many civilians reading these accounts, guessing a meaning from the context, thought in error that the singular "a commando" meant one man, and that usage became general.

It would be interesting to tie his class to Israel's commandos given the real world David, but I didn't see anything suitable...


Real world David? I assume you are referring to the biblical version of David that many people think he is derived from. (Surprised he wasn't given a sling tbh lol)

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13 2019 1:22pm
by legalize freedom
knight0fdragon wrote:Real world David? I assume you are referring to the biblical version of David that many people think he is derived from. (Surprised he wasn't given a sling tbh lol)


No, the Israeli singer this character was based off of. Surely you remember.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-L0s_98CAI

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13 2019 3:21pm
by knight0fdragon
Actually I was not aware of this duo, I only knew of the connection with David from David and Goliath. That is rather interesting.

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18 2019 1:22pm
by legalize freedom
Based on these opinions, I have three sets of classes I could live with and will start a poll soon.

Last chance to get your opinion on the ballot!

Voice support for certain classes or share new ideas!

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10 2019 1:43pm
by Swalchy
*le bumpety bump*

Re: David's Classes

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10 2019 3:29pm
by WolfTJD
bump! @ legalize freedom!!