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Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Restoring the original names: yay? nay?

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Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby Hattari » Sun Aug 23 2015 5:03pm

I was recently informed from a relatively reliable source that Malorie's mercenaries in scenario 1 were originally named after the 4 characters you could recruit at Creed's mansion. So:

Elrick... Eric (knight)
Piper... Tyrin (mage)
Twiggy... Karna (priest)
Dongo... Randolph (warrior)

The connection isn't hard to make in a couple of those changes, and considering how many series staples - from weapons and foes to stat-boosting items - received strange localized names, it isn't hard to believe.

So I'm wondering: if the team is still working on Scenario 1, is there a chance this might be corrected? It'd be a fun and proper nod to SFII, if nothing else.
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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby legalize freedom » Sun Aug 23 2015 6:25pm

This would be a great nod to SF2, but does it make sense?

It was discussed before and I believe the consensus was that due to the difference in time between the games, these wouldn't be the same mercs. There are already some ambiguous name re-uses in the series and I don't think this would be a good change.

I do, however, appreciate your suggestion and your attention to detail. Certainly if you see anything else like this, please bring it up.
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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby Cullsoft » Sun Aug 23 2015 8:50pm

I gather these characters are most certainly meant to be a nod to SF2's characters (there's a section highlighting this in the SF3 encyclopedia/artbook), but sadly goes over English players' heads if they don't know the original Japanese names of these characters (and appears to have been missed by SF3's English localisation team).

Given the issue with the timeline - they could be regarded in the same way as SF3's Arthur being an homage to SF1's Arthur (i.e. "well, it's a different time so they can't be the same character, but then again..."). Besides, who knows what Creed's jiggery pokery with Desktop Kingdom could have done to their lifespans...?

I'm certainly in favour of them being given their English names for this homage to be clearer. (Part of me's also wondering if there's any way SF3's Twiggy/Karna could have "You... Snotnose!" chucked into her lines somehow...)
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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby legalize freedom » Mon Aug 24 2015 12:14pm

We can certainly re-visit the topic if there are enough folks interested in this change.
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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby Hattari » Tue Aug 25 2015 7:34pm

Cullsoft wrote:I'm certainly in favour of them being given their English names for this homage to be clearer. (Part of me's also wondering if there's any way SF3's Twiggy/Karna could have "You... Snotnose!" chucked into her lines somehow...)

Best line from a playable RPG character ever? :p

I see both sides, and I'm personally neutral. Like Culls, I'm thinking the names were meant to be a fun fan nod and nothing more. I mostly asked about this because I got the impression a main goal of the translation project was to give this game the faithful localization Sega failed to, regardless of personal preferences. (And in that regard you've already surpassed them quite a bit, so thank you!)

Since its been brought up: was it ever established officially where this takes place in the Shining Force timeline?
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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby legalize freedom » Wed Aug 26 2015 12:19pm

Part of the effort is removing some of the silliness as well. Gags are good, but the Japanese have a way of being silly that just doesn't resonate with English speakers. You'll find the patched version of SF3 takes itself a bit more seriously and tends toward epic rather than silly. The events in the game should be believable.

That being said, I'm not sure there has ever been an official confirmation that these were or were not the same mercs. IIRC the previous discussion (which admittedly was several years back) the consensus was that they could not be due to the time difference.

I would be happy to consider any information you can find to support these being the same mercs. Or just even if enough people would want to see the nod anyway. Maybe we should have a poll. That's how all the hard decisions are made. :)

If anyone can produce a screenshot or point me to a vid that shows the aforementioned line, I would appreciate it. I don't recall personally, of course I never needed to hire mercs. :spliff:
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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby Chinagonuk » Thu Aug 27 2015 3:27pm

Surely an easy way to confirm this is to look at the characters of the names on a Jap copy of the game and compare them to the names on a Jap copy of SF2. Or am i missing something?
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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby Hattari » Sun Aug 30 2015 6:06pm

Nice detective work alex_man!
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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby legalize freedom » Tue Sep 15 2015 5:49pm

It appears someone has looked into the Japanese translation of these names already and they are indeed supposed to be the same characters.

Anyone opposed to changing them to Tyrin, Randolf, Karna and Eric to match the characters from previous games in the series?

If there is ANY opposition speak up and I will set up a poll.
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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby Chinagonuk » Wed Sep 16 2015 9:57pm

Over the last few years there have been many changes like this (Hedoba/Hedva for example) and the general consensus has always been 'accuracy > nostalgia'. I definitely prefer this approach and so if the original japanese names were the same as the names of the mercs on the old games, then i vote to change them accordingly.
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Re: Scenario 1's Mercenaries

Postby legalize freedom » Tue Oct 06 2015 6:16pm

The SF2 names will be restored in the upcoming V17 patch.
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