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Re: Premium Disc Error Report Topic

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27 2016 7:25pm
by legalize freedom
That probably explains it, but will it give you different ones if you use a Sc3 save vs creating one in the PD?

Re: Premium Disc Error Report Topic

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27 2016 11:07pm
by knight0fdragon
Not likely, like I said, it would be a waste to save all of the avatars in the Saturn backup memory, and pointless.

Re: Premium Disc Error Report Topic

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28 2016 12:45am
by legalize freedom
Right, but it would contain the class (promotion level) and that may control which avatar is used.

Re: Premium Disc Error Report Topic

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28 2016 3:38am
by knight0fdragon
I am not sure if we are on the same page anymore

the promotion level is saved in the save file yes

but the actual image is not.

both images cannot be stored onto the disc, it is either one or the other

the avatar he is looking for is not known to be on the Premium disc, and in the almost 20 years (Ugh) that this game has been out, it would be impressive to see that he had some early draft of the PD that nobody knows about with these GFX

Re: Premium Disc Error Report Topic

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28 2016 10:46am
by legalize freedom
The PD borrows most everything from Sc3 so I would assume both (or all 3) images are available on the PD disc. I certainly can't say for sure, but that's what I'm suggesting. Just drawing at straws to try to explain what's going on.

I come to this conclusion. If the PD is being played (whether it has been patched or not) and the Sc3 avatar appears, the image is obviously available from the PD disc. It could be specific to a certain PD disc version, but it isn't the work of the patch. Multiple avatar images are available on every scenario disc so why not the PD?

Re: Premium Disc Error Report Topic

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28 2016 11:04am
by Bulzome
Sorry for the late reply. I've been sick. Either way, I think I may have found the cause. I called up a friend of mine with the original disc. I sent him all the versions of the patch I have - and sure enough they all use the premium disc avatars. Therefore, that means the problem would have to lie with my backup image. I must have done something wrong when creating it.

Re: Premium Disc Error Report Topic

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28 2016 3:34pm
by knight0fdragon
The PD does not borrow everything, the PD actually fixes things (I am curious if it fixed the Garosh bug)

The way the avatars have been are laid out is like this:

Unpromoted
Promotion 1
Promotion 2 / Alternate Promotion2

Now Promotion 2 plays by Time Cop rules, both images can't occupy the same space at the same time or else chaos would happen.

When the game needs to display an avatar it grabs it from a special file (You should be able to see the avatar file like you would the loading screen IIRC)
This file will only contain the promoted 2 version, or the alternate promoted 2. Not both.

Also, since the only way you can see a Promoted 2 character is by loading in a scenario 3 save, it would be impossible for people to see the newly designed image based on your theory, everybody would see the old one.


legalize freedom wrote:The PD borrows most everything from Sc3 so I would assume both (or all 3) images are available on the PD disc. I certainly can't say for sure, but that's what I'm suggesting. Just drawing at straws to try to explain what's going on.

I come to this conclusion. If the PD is being played (whether it has been patched or not) and the Sc3 avatar appears, the image is obviously available from the PD disc. It could be specific to a certain PD disc version, but it isn't the work of the patch. Multiple avatar images are available on every scenario disc so why not the PD?

Re: Premium Disc Error Report Topic

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28 2016 8:08pm
by legalize freedom
knight0fdragon wrote:The PD does not borrow everything, the PD actually fixes things (I am curious if it fixed the Garosh bug)

The way the avatars have been are laid out is like this:

Unpromoted
Promotion 1
Promotion 2 / Alternate Promotion2

Now Promotion 2 plays by Time Cop rules, both images can't occupy the same space at the same time or else chaos would happen.

When the game needs to display an avatar it grabs it from a special file (You should be able to see the avatar file like you would the loading screen IIRC)
This file will only contain the promoted 2 version, or the alternate promoted 2. Not both.

Also, since the only way you can see a Promoted 2 character is by loading in a scenario 3 save, it would be impossible for people to see the newly designed image based on your theory, everybody would see the old one.


Gotcha. So no matter what, the PD will only ever have one promo 2 image available.

It doesn't sound like Bulzome's issue is reproducible either, so I guess we can assume whatever happened was a glitch or human error.

Re: Premium Disc Error Report Topic

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03 2017 2:16pm
by Synthesis
I've just played v18 and noticed the video section has no text labels for either Ending 1 or 2.

EDIT: Played more of the Premium Disc and noticed the three headed dragon in battle 6 are called "thief" and "villager".

Re: Premium Disc Error Report Topic

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06 2017 1:14pm
by legalize freedom
Thank you for the report.

I know the ending videos aren't available until and unless there is a completed save present. It would be odd if the vid would still play though. Is that the case?

Will get the enemy names fixed up!