Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27 2010 7:51am
by Moogie

<a href="http://www.gamestm.co.uk/discuss/100-greatest-games-of-all-time-100-covers-revealed/"><img src="http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/images/news/2010_aug27_gamestm.jpg" width="180" height="234" alt="gamesTM Magazine 100th Issue - Shining Force III Limited Edition Cover" style="border:1px solid black;float:right;margin:20px;"></a>
News from: http://www.shiningforcecentral.com <br /><HR SIZE="1">Shining News: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!<HR SIZE="1"><br />SFCer Ashley, who works at games<sup>TM</sup> magazine here in the UK has dropped me a line to say that Shining Force III has made the top 100 games of all time in the 100th issue of games<sup>TM</sup>.<br />
<br />
<a HREF="http://www.gamestm.co.uk/discuss/100-greatest-games-of-all-time-100-covers-revealed/">To celebrate 100 issues, the magazine has put together 100 different covers</A>, each featuring one of the top games. Naturally, SFIII is among them, as you can see from the cover here. <br />
<br />
Only 400 of each cover design will be available, so they're very limited edition. It'll be down to chance whether or not your usual stockist happens to have a SFIII cover or not.<br />
<br />
So, when the magazine goes on sale on September 2nd, the great SFIII cover hunt will begin! I for one will check all the local shops for it and will pick up any spare copies I find with the SFIII cover. Ashley, despite working for the magazine, does not automatically get his choice of covers and would dearly like a copy not only for himself but also one to send on to Camelot in recognition of their achievements.<br />
<br />
Should I locate more than one copy, I will gladly give the second to Ashley for Camelot - any others will be available to SFCers (at cost price) and I hope all SFCers will do likewise to help each other out. I'll take Thursday off work and spend the day visiting all the local magazine stockists if I can!<br />
<br />
Good luck all :)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27 2010 10:18am
by Ashley
Thanks a lot for the post, Moogs. And thanks for offering to help with the treasure hunt. :)

I'll be on the lookout too, of course. And if I see any SFIII covers I'll buy as many as I can carry and put them up for sale here. It's only right that they go to the fans.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27 2010 1:36pm
by Seijuro Hiko
You can add me as one of those who're interested in this! Excellent reward for the best game I´ve played in all my years. There's still a game which has yet to surpass Shining Force III in my book!

A thumbs up to GamesTM and Ashley! :thumbsup:

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27 2010 8:26pm
by Raccoon_Mario22
If this magazine isn't available in the U.S., I will be keeping a close eye on the classified adverts board for a chance to buy a copy. I never had a chance to play this game and will emulate this beautiful game to see what I have been missing! If it is available in the U.S. I will keep an eye out for it and will purchase as many as I can get my hands on and will pass on the extra copies to members who couldn't find it. I will sell them at newsstand price or best offer. I may also just give a few away to members who can't afford to buy one. Thank you Moogs for the heads up!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28 2010 9:47pm
by whiterose
That's awesome that this made the top 100 of their gaming list, considering how many games the world has. Very cool.

...Makes me want to play SF3 even more... :(

-.-

I'd also like to own that cover, but yeah... I live in the US, so that probably won't happen. =\

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29 2010 11:43am
by Evil Gately
Before the great hunt begins, here's a couple of pointers:

To my knowledge, Morrison's & Sainsbury's don't carry gamesTM. I know this from personal experience, having worked the news/mags/home entertainment sections at 6 different Morrison's and one Sainsburys! Also, from what I can gather, Gamestation has stopped selling magazines, but I know the one I used to be assistant manager at was still having them delivered when I was in it, so it may be worth asking!

Tescos do stock it, however, so keep your peepers peeled in there!

Also, don't forget, the store's entire stock may not be out on display! Again, ask! In my experience, if you catch the person who's doing that section (providing it isn't first thing and they're desperately trying to get the new stock out on the stands!), they'll be more than happy to have an excuse to hide away from the shop floor for a couple of minutes and go have a look for alternate covers for you! :)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29 2010 11:53am
by Cullsoft
Evil Gately @ Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:43 am) wrote: To my knowledge, Morrison's & Sainsbury's don't carry gamesTM. I know this from personal experience, having worked the news/mags/home entertainment sections at 6 different Morrison's and one Sainsburys!

Not entirely true - my local Sainsbury's at Bagshot Road, Bracknell does stock Games TM, but I gather it's one of their larger stores so may well have a larger range than most other banches.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29 2010 12:03pm
by Evil Gately
Cool, that's good news! :) I've only had experience with the four here on the Island and the one in Pompey, and although my store and Pompey both have a pretty big news & mags section, it's obviously not big enough!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29 2010 8:26pm
by Alpha
Evil Gately @ Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:43 am) wrote: Also, don't forget, the store's entire stock may not be out on display! Again, ask! In my experience, if you catch the person who's doing that section (providing it isn't first thing and they're desperately trying to get the new stock out on the stands!), they'll be more than happy to have an excuse to hide away from the shop floor for a couple of minutes and go have a look for alternate covers for you! :)

This sounds like it may be the best tactic to go for.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30 2010 6:14pm
by swamperon
I will be checking every shop in my town for a copy on the 2nd. Thankfully a WHSmiths has just opened up which increases the potential. There's also a Morrisons and Sainsbury so will report back if they stock GamesTM at all.

Wonder how many copies we'll get between us? :)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02 2010 10:14am
by Ashley
GOOD NEWS: You can order specific covers directly from here

BAD NEWS - There are only two of each cover available. Act quickly!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02 2010 3:33pm
by Moogie
Have dropped them a line, awaiting a response.

Didn't find any in town today :( WHSmiths didn't have any in stock yet, but may get them tomorrow and will call me if they get a #50!

Will have to see if I can contact some of the out of town supermarkets to see if they have any in stock!

EDIT:
...
Asda don't have it - no GamesTM at all.
Morrisons don't have #50, but may get more stock in a week or two when it sells out.
Can't find a number for Tesco, but will get Rich to pop out there by car tomorrow!

Not looking hopeful for Weymouth :(
Got my sister on Suffolk duty ;)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03 2010 9:07am
by Koshums
I'm on Manch duty!
Popped into Smiths yesterday - they had about half a dozen of the wrong covers. I'm going to Sainsburys later today, and will check some of the smaller newsagents in the city centre on Monday when I'm back at work.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03 2010 10:40am
by ffian1
Moogie - I didn't realise you lived down by Weymouth, a very large portion of my family live there.

And Koshums, I was in Sainsbury's yesterday but I didn't know about this awesome moment in history until 2 minutes ago, so I can't say for sure if they have it in or not.

If it's any help, I wasn't divinely drawn towards the mags stands.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03 2010 3:31pm
by Moogie
Wonder if I know any of them? :)
Been in Wyke most of my life but also did a stint in Littlemoor.

Going to try Tesco in a bit when Rich gets home from work!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03 2010 6:26pm
by Cullsoft
Sadly the Morrisons in Basingstoke and the Co-op in Overton didn't have the SHF3 issue in stock. :( (Amusingly the Overton Co-op had a copy of issue 78! :) )

Gonna be checking the Bracknell Sainsbury's tomorrow, then probably stopping at all the service stations between here and Liverpool tomorrow. :biggrin:

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03 2010 7:37pm
by Sinful Force
Ashley @ Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:14 am) wrote:GOOD NEWS: You can order specific covers directly from here

BAD NEWS - There are only two of each cover available. Act quickly!

Yeah, I see that the SF3 covers are allready & the only ones sold out. Anybody order more than one of these from here?

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03 2010 9:04pm
by Moogie
Tesco & Londis didn't have it either :(
I knew I should have phoned this morning to order a copy from that link, but I assumed someone else had already bought them by the time I woke up (had an accidental lie in this morning).

Bugger.

Guess I'll be phoning around Dorchester tomorrow.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03 2010 9:10pm
by Alpha
My best friend searched around the Portsmouth area. She found 17 different covers, but not one was SF3 :(

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03 2010 11:38pm
by Swalchy
Been to 3 Tesco's, 2 Asda's, 2 Morrisons, 2 Sainsbury's, and 6 newsagents, and not a single one of them has had a single copy of GamesTM, never mind one with the SF3 cover on it.

I guess it's not that popular a magazine where I live =/

(I don't get it either >.>)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03 2010 11:46pm
by Ashley
Went to about six newsagents around the Heathrow area yesterday. Didn't see a single ShFIII cover. :( But did pick up a nice Valkyria Chronicles one.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 04 2010 1:13am
by Alpha
So it seems that so far, anybody who's tried to find one hasn't been able too.

*sadface*

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 04 2010 9:10pm
by wildrosebc
Damn. I was hoping for some happy news in that area.

I may be in the states. But -m not too far from Manhattan. Wonder if there are any international news stands out there anywhere.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 05 2010 12:01am
by Seijuro Hiko
Wow I´m disappointed! :( I was hoping that, at least, someone form the UK would have got more than 1 mag with the SF3 cover right now.

I´ve tried that link from Ashely, got no answer even though I sent the message on the same day (it was still on stock, or at least the image didn´t have "sold out").

The chances of someone, that's not from UK or have acess to that magazine, are getting slimmer by the day :(

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 05 2010 12:47am
by Alpha
Seijuro Hiko @ Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:01 pm) wrote: I´ve tried that link from Ashely, got no answer even though I sent the message on the same day (it was still on stock, or at least the image didn´t have "sold out").

I did the same thing. No reply for me either :(

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 05 2010 12:51am
by wildrosebc
Unless we start seeing some on eBay. May be a little bit too early for that though.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06 2010 11:08am
by Moogie
Tried another Tesco, and decided to call Game & Gamestation in case they happened to have any in (though they don't sell mags anymore). No luck.

Argh!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06 2010 1:02pm
by Moogie
Tried two more shops this morning, nowt.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06 2010 2:46pm
by Koshums
Had a look in 3 newsagents on my lunch break, but they didn't even stock the mag.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06 2010 5:02pm
by Swalchy
Cullsoft managed to get a copy of the Magazine with SF3 on the cover. We all had a gander at it at our SOUK meeting :)


Surprised he hasn't mentioned getting it on here.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06 2010 5:06pm
by Moogie
Lucky bastard!
Where'd he find it?
Just the one?!

Argh!
Must phone more shops.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06 2010 7:29pm
by Cullsoft
Moogie @ Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:06 pm) wrote: Lucky bastard!
Where'd he find it?
Just the one?!

Argh!
Must phone more shops.

Say hooray for the M40 Oxford services. :)

And sadly no, I didn't find any others. :( Wound up stopping at most of the service stations on the way to and from Liverpool, and although they all had GamesTM in stock none of the others had the SHF3 one.

However, I've told anyone who I'd already asked to look out for the magazine that I know others are also interested, so if they happen to spot copies I'm still interested in those, so don't think I've stopped the hunt just because I've got my copy! ;)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06 2010 9:47pm
by wildrosebc
Congrats Cull!! At least someone has one.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06 2010 11:52pm
by Ashley
There's a chap here who doesn't seem too pleased with his ShFIII cover. Might be worth offering a trade with him.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07 2010 1:13am
by Alpha
Cull, that lucky bastard :p Good find mate!

I finally got a reply back from the link Ashley supplied. Of course, no such luck there :(

I had a brief spark of excitement today when I went into Chapters (kinda like Borders, r.i.p.) and saw a GamesTM. Issue 98 though :p

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07 2010 7:41am
by Moogie
Ashley @ Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:52 pm) wrote: There's a chap here who doesn't seem too pleased with his ShFIII cover. Might be worth offering a trade with him.

Thanks mate - have contacted him.
If I only manage to get one copy, I'll have looksie & a scan, and then pass it on to you Ash so you can send it to Camelot (or I'll send it myself if you prefer).

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07 2010 8:50am
by Ashley
I might be okay, actually. I managed to get myself a copy and I'm currently negotiating with someone else for the second.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07 2010 9:29am
by Koshums
Took a different route into work today past 4 newsagents. Still haven't seen a SF3 cover.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07 2010 9:50am
by Moogie
Ashley @ Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:50 am) wrote: I might be okay, actually. I managed to get myself a copy and I'm currently negotiating with someone else for the second.

Well done mate. Hope you succeed.
The chap at Midlife Gamer has very kindly agreed to let me have his copy, so if you don't secure the second copy for Camelot, let me know and I'll still happily donate mine.

Am still on the hunt for further copies for other peeps here. Got a friend looking on Portland for me today, there's a couple of co-ops there and a local shop. Fingers crossed!



Kosh: You'll have to try places on the way to fishing spots. Big place like Manch has gotta have a copy floating around somewhere!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07 2010 3:44pm
by wildrosebc
Congrats guys!! Especially you Moogie. Your heart and soul have been poured into this site so you should definitely h?e a copy.

I still remember how, shortly after my husband died and you were still doing the contests, there was one where the answer was Otrant. Even managed to win a prize on that one too. :)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07 2010 4:17pm
by Moogie
Bless you Rose, that's a sweet thing to say :)

I'm still hunting for extra copies for other peeps here, and am going to another local town tomorrow to have a look around for it! Don't know how I'll be able to decide who gets any others - will have to do some kind of random draw/lotto for it!

I'd like to start running contests again, once the site is rebuilt. We'll see how that goes - best laid plans, and all that!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07 2010 8:08pm
by wildrosebc
You know Moogie. If you manage to get your hands on a copy you can spare that would make an amazing first prize for the return of the contests. I'm sure everyone would agree.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07 2010 9:59pm
by Kalkano
I got on the site first thing in the morning on the 2nd. They're shipping a copy all the way to the states. I guess I got 1 of the 2 available via that route (it was the same place that Ashley linked to).

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08 2010 3:42pm
by Moogie
No luck in Dorchester :( Only found 3 copies of the mag, none the right one.
Tried Waitrose, Tesco, WHSmith, Martins and Somerfield. Also just tried a local shop I'd forgotten had magazines, and another Co-op last night. Nada.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 7:56am
by Moogie
Rich had an errand to run in Chickerell last night, so popped into the post office there - they did have gamesTM, but only 2 issues and neither was SFIII :(

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 10:39am
by Moogie
On my lap sits issue 100 of gamesTM, cover number 50.

The lovely man at Midlife Gamer (midlifegamer.co.uk) has sent me his copy, which apparently was otherwise going in the recycle bin.

I dread to think how many might end up that way.

Unfortunately no time to peruse it right now as I've just taken delivery of some lures for the bass comp I'm in tomorrow, and they've sent the wrong bloody ones. So, off to the tackle shop for an emergency last minute lure hunt. Crap!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 5:36pm
by Cyric
:approve:




YAY!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 6:23pm
by wildrosebc
Definite yay!! Do you have anything like Craigs List in the UK? Perhaps if you post an ad in there asking people to send you their copies when they're done with them they might just do that. Worth a shot anyway I'd think. ;)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 6:49pm
by Ashley
Have you spotted the rather substantial error on the cover yet, Moogie? I only just saw it this morning and it's really bloody annoyed me. I can only apologise to those of you who've spent so much time trying to track a copy down...

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 6:57pm
by Cullsoft
QUOTE (Ashley @ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:49 pm) Have you spotted the rather substantial error on the cover yet, Moogie? I only just saw it this morning and it's really bloody annoyed me. I can only apologise to those of you who've spent so much time trying to track a copy down...
WARNING: SPOILER!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 7:01pm
by Swalchy
Ashley @ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:49 pm) wrote: Have you spotted the rather substantial error on the cover yet, Moogie? I only just saw it this morning and it's really bloody annoyed me. I can only apologise to those of you who've spent so much time trying to track a copy down...

Any chance they could print a few more with the corrected cover? >.>

I would pay double the price of the mag just to get it.

It'll become a fine collectors item.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 7:26pm
by Ashley
WARNING: SPOILER!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 7:51pm
by MXC
It's rather dumb considering that the collage is boring... they didn't blend it together at all or anything. Plus, most people only played Scenario 1. The high-res cover would have been killer (and I don't even like the game!)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 8:15pm
by Cullsoft
QUOTE (MXC @ Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:51 pm) It's rather dumb considering that the collage is boring... they didn't blend it together at all or anything. Plus, most people only played Scenario 1. The high-res cover would have been killer (and I don't even like the game!)
WARNING: SPOILER!

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 8:32pm
by Ashley
I can't release the high-res art since it was given to us under trust and only after Sega put in some serious work to convince Camelot to share it. Really sorry about that.

What I can do is put up a wallpaper that I made during production. It's a mock-up of a cover that I wanted us to run, basically using the cut-outs to create a crowded "group shot" of the characters. It's a bit rough around the edges and I was hoping our design team could use it as inspiration while making a proper image for the cover but they just didn't have time. The mock-up survives as my desktop wallpaper and I'll make a point of uploading it here in the morning if only so you can see what might have been.

Aside from that, let's just look on the bright side eh? This is still the only time Shining Force has been on a UK magazine cover and will surely help raise awareness about the series - especially with Sega themselves. I'm hoping they get the message that a) We want to see more Shining games released in the UK and b) we want more Camelot/Shining Force III stuff in particular. Believe me, Sega has taken more notice of our 100 covers than any other publisher in the world. :)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09 2010 9:00pm
by Cullsoft
Fair enough - having worked with supplier artwork and the regulations many of them put on its usage I suspected that would be the case, but had to ask in the small hope that you could. ;)

Funnily enough, back around the turn of the century when I started getting into SHF3 and SFC I put together something that's probably along the lines of what you've done/had in mind: http://kyantol.com/personal/img/shf3-cast.jpg :) If memory serves I made it from GIF cutouts I pulled from a website (sadly I forget whose).

And if Sega are taking as much note as you're suggesting, here's hoping it affects them in the right way - enough of this "new" stuff they're shipping out, the people want classic Shining Force games! :D

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10 2010 10:37am
by Moogie
Yes, I'm afraid I did spot it. But, it's still a cool cover & I'm still glad to have it!
Will have a good read of the mag on Monday as it's bass comp today-Sunday, but I have Monday off to recover (and catch up on all the TV we have to record durint the comp!)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10 2010 1:35pm
by Ashley
Here's the mock-up I did. Quite nice, if I do say so myself.
MOCK UP

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10 2010 2:24pm
by Cullsoft
Wut no Grace? That suxx ballz. >.>

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10 2010 3:08pm
by Ashley
mock up. The idea was that every character would have appeared.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10 2010 3:33pm
by Thoth92
That mock up looks much nicer, I've been looking out for the SF3 one in Devon with no joy so far. I haven't been looking that intently though as imo it doesn't look that amazing, I went with Silent Hill 2 instead as I love all the art design for that. If I see a SF3 one I'll grab it though.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10 2010 3:58pm
by Cullsoft
Ashley @ Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:08 pm) wrote:mock up. The idea was that every character would have appeared.

Fair enough again... you know what I'm like when it comes to Grace. ;)

That said, for a front page cover or portrait view it probably would have been difficult to get in many more characters than that in that sort of arrangement, at least not without it seeming too crowded or the characters being fairly small (and thus more white space).

Someone tried doing such a pic of everyone way back, and nice an idea as it was (it inspired me to do my Sc1 Force pic) it does come out as a pretty crowded and clustered affair that probably wouldn't have been too attractive as a cover (especially with all the white dots from the GIF transparencies around the edge - your Photoshop guys would need to spend ages cleaning these up on every character, which may be why they went with the solo pics instead): http://kyantol.com/personal/img/shf3shr ... rybody.jpg

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10 2010 5:31pm
by wildrosebc
Cull that was a beautiful pic. Your first and Ashleys were good too. But since I've only ever played Scenario one I like that one best. In fact I changed the wallpaper on my phone to that pic. :)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10 2010 5:32pm
by Ashley
Culley O'Fursdom @ Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:58 pm) wrote: your Photoshop guys would need to spend ages cleaning these up on every character, which may be why they went with the solo pics instead

Indeed. We basically had 279 pages to design in the same time that we would normally do 180. There was nowhere near enough time to spend on each cover and there have been a couple of mistakes as a result.

Still, I remain fairly positive about the whole thing. I argued for quite a few of my personal favourite games to get covers and many were rejected. I still consider it a miracle that ShFIII got through considering that nobody else on the team has even played it.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10 2010 6:07pm
by Alpha
Ashley @ Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:32 am) wrote: Indeed. We basically had 279 pages to design in the same time that we would normally do 180. There was nowhere near enough time to spend on each cover and there have been a couple of mistakes as a result.

Still, I remain fairly positive about the whole thing. I argued for quite a few of my personal favourite games to get covers and many were rejected. I still consider it a miracle that ShFIII got through considering that nobody else on the team has even played it.

*gives Ashley a cookie for efforts in the field*

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10 2010 6:44pm
by wildrosebc
Well out of all of your favorites that could have gotten in I'm glad it was this one. :)
Here's to hoping it will kick Sega and Camelot in the butt and tell them that at the very least they need to release these games in English. Also that we want a return to the origins of the series.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11 2010 12:19pm
by Warlord ikitClaw
You got another pair of eyes in Glouc at the request of da GoatS.

I have spread the word and have some cross team competition - some guys I know are mental about Doom, Super Metroid and/or MegaBomberman as well as others, so I've got them looking and there will be the potential of swapsies instead of cashingtons !

If I didn't trust the regulars, I'd wonder if this wasn't some niche marketing scheme - "Buy GamesTM, buy more, buy them all!" - no commission, honestly ? j/k

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11 2010 5:14pm
by Killian22
Let's go vote for shining force on www.rpgamer.com poll for the best srpg series!!! Shining force is now number 4 !!! :) come on :)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11 2010 5:50pm
by Alpha
Kalkano @ Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:59 pm) wrote: I got on the site first thing in the morning on the 2nd. They're shipping a copy all the way to the states. I guess I got 1 of the 2 available via that route (it was the same place that Ashley linked to).

Lmao, I found out who got the second one! My girlfriend :D She knew I wanted it, and ordered it. It arrived at her place in England on thursday, and she arrived here in Canada yesterday.

I was pleasantly surprised.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11 2010 6:19pm
by wildrosebc
Damn that's sweet.

Oh and we're number three now. ;)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11 2010 11:29pm
by Omega Entity
Alpha @ Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:50 pm) wrote: Lmao, I found out who got the second one! My girlfriend :D She knew I wanted it, and ordered it. It arrived at her place in England on thursday, and she arrived here in Canada yesterday.

I was pleasantly surprised.

I thought she was your friend, not your girlfriend...

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11 2010 11:39pm
by Swalchy
Jealous, Dani?

:p

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11 2010 11:44pm
by Omega Entity
I really don't feel like being kicked to the curb, and I especially don't take well to being lied to.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12 2010 1:30am
by Alpha
Actually, it's a very recent realisation of how we felt about each other.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12 2010 1:40am
by Omega Entity
Just great. I suppose this means -you'll- be dropping off the face of the planet, just like everyone else. Thanks.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12 2010 3:56am
by Sinful Force
I'm surprised that not many as satisfied with the SF3 cover picture? I think it's really great, and that for me, it really suits a 100th issue cover (that contains a greatest games countdown) for some reason?

I think that Ashley's mock-up pic is great too (keeping that one permanetly saved, thanks Ashley). Though the only problem I have with it is that it's a tad too complex/crowded. Hence why the simpler cover used works so good.

It's really hard for me to put it into words why I like that cover used so much? It's just that from the first moment I seen it, I immediately feel in love with it. I guess love at first sight says it all?


Oh, Culley's pic a getting saved too. >_>

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12 2010 4:51am
by wildrosebc
The first one or the second one Sin? I absolutely loved the big crowded one. I sat there picking out all my favorite players.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12 2010 5:38pm
by Alpha
Sinful Force @ Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:56 pm) wrote: I'm surprised that not many as satisfied with the SF3 cover picture?

I freakin' love it. Yeah there's a couple of mistakes, but hey ho. No complaints at all from me.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12 2010 6:09pm
by Kalkano
Ashley @ Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:32 am) wrote: Indeed. We basically had 279 pages to design in the same time that we would normally do 180. There was nowhere near enough time to spend on each cover and there have been a couple of mistakes as a result.

Still, I remain fairly positive about the whole thing. I argued for quite a few of my personal favourite games to get covers and many were rejected. I still consider it a miracle that ShFIII got through considering that nobody else on the team has even played it.

Just out of curiosity, how did you convince them that SF3 belonged on the list, when no one else had even played it?

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12 2010 6:30pm
by Ashley
First: I've written about it enough in gTM that a few people are aware of its innovative features by proxy.

Second: I think they know that I would have quit if it didn't go through. ;)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12 2010 9:18pm
by Sinful Force
wildrosebc @ Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:51 pm) wrote:The first one or the second one Sin? I absolutely loved the big crowded one. I sat there picking out all my favorite players.

Oh, I was only talking about the cover that made the 100th Games TM (the one everybody is complaining about)... and I didn't know you liked SF3, wildrosebc? (Don't think I've noticed you talk about it yet?)

Also, if you picked up favourites from that wall of characters one, does that mean you played past Scenario 1 too? Or where just stuck picking favourites from Sc.1?

Ashley @ Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:30 am) wrote:Second: I think they know that I would have quit if it didn't go through. ;)

Awesome tactic. I like to use it alot myslef... though most times I just want to quit and 'am just messing with them. :lol:

Either way, glad it worked, especially if it does get us a Camelot or Camelot style SF game again. And the day you do lose you job there without an explaination why from you, we'll now know why.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13 2010 8:57pm
by wildrosebc
I love it. But I don't talk about it much because my Saturn memory card quit on me, leaving me stranded and unable to play any of my Saturn games.

Mostly I picked out the characters that either fought or appeared in scenario one like Medion. Should get around to getting the translated ones from the site to go further but npt until beta testings over for the new SF2 game.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13 2010 11:08pm
by Sinful Force
Oh, I'm actually in a simular boat, as my Sega Saturn has been MIA for awhile now along with my Sega Saturn Racing Wheel (racing games just don't feel the same without it).

I still got the 3D Nights Pad along with it's games though. And I am planning on buying my missing Saturn & Wheel soon. That's why I just recently payed for the SF3 trilogy + PD (yeah, I'm a bad boy, as I've been putting my money into a better+dual core computer to handle Sega Saturn (SSF) emulation, instead of my missing Saturn).


Anyways, i'm looking forward to receiving this issue, even though it won't have the SF3 cover (getting "Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion" cover. My brother has been eyeing & talking about this game series, so it works out). As I love greatest videogame countdowns & it'll give me a chance to view what modern overseas magazines are like?

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13 2010 11:56pm
by wildrosebc
Overseas? Where do you live? Thought for some reason you were in the UK.

I don't like playing games in another language. A good rpg is like a good book. If I0 can't read it or if I have to keep looking down at a script its not fun.

Good score on finding the whole deal for SF3. Did some recent checking and they're not cheap.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14 2010 2:45am
by Sinful Force
I was born in Romania, though I'm only 1/4 Romanian.

Came to Canada in 1989 (dad fled the country succesfully, on his second attempt & after some rough jail time, when it was still communist). I don't like it here (you get taxed so much here + Canadians don't stick up for themselfs) that much and am planning on moving to the Sates very soon + set myself up to be able to travel as much as possible for the rest of my life. As I do enjoy traveling & observing different cultures. (Plus I plan on spending some time in Germany with some relatives to learn the German language again... going to Japan & learning that language + culture would be very cool too)


When I stared SF3 Scenario 1, I started on the basis that Scenario 2 was like 99% done, and that I wouldn't have to wait much longer too finally play Scenario 3 translated (the idea of being cliffhanged after Scenario 1 didn't seem so bad if I could play at least Scenario 2 roughly translated + Sceanrio 3 translation in near sight). However, after I finished Scenario 2 for the second/third time & Sceanrio 1 for the third/fourth time, to setup the ultimate save file to transfer over, I absolutely could not contain myslelf and played through what was translated of Scenario 3 (like only chapter 1)... but then guess what? After that I couldn't contain myself even more and had to play the rest of Scenario 3 with SFC's script!

This game had me hooked very bad, and the fact that the experience lasted so very long before I finally completed Scenario 3, made it seem like the fun was gonna last forever. I treasured every moment of it and couldn't believe that Camelot made my favourite game 3x (all 3 Scenarios) & yet they still went out and made the PD. This is why I'm so surprised that some Shining fans aren't pleased with what Camelot did with SF3, as it seems like it's the ultimate thing they could to to a Shining Force fan by leaps & bounds.


That year (2009) it seemed like I played nothing but only SF3 from the moment I got up to the momment I went to sleep. Best gaming experience of my life without a doubt + strongly rejuvenated my interest in videogames... though it's kind of a double edged sword kind of thing since I still mostly rather play only Shining related games. (Puts too much pressure on other games to be good :lol:)

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14 2010 5:35pm
by wildrosebc
Wow. Got to say when I bought my Saturn it was specifically to play SF3. Of course I found loads of other games for it. But my first Saturn game was SF3.

In many ways I think its one of the best Shining games. Loved the friendship system and the characters and everything else about it.

Good luck with your moving to the US. Got any idea where in the US you're gonna go?

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 16 2010 12:19am
by Sinful Force
wildrosebc @ Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:35 am) wrote:Wow. Got to say when I bought my Saturn it was specifically to play SF3. Of course I found loads of other games for it. But my first Saturn game was SF3.

In many ways I think its one of the best Shining games. Loved the friendship system and the characters and everything else about it.


WARNING May contain RANT- including some stuff I may of talked about before? + off topic?

Yeah, yeally? I alwyas thought it was weird for Sega or Nintendo fans of the 16-bit generation to go with the Playstation choice (though I had all three of the major 32-bit era systems as soon as possible >_>. Plus luck enough to have had both SNES & Genesis too). I mean, When PSX came out, I didn't see one game I wanted or liked (including Wipeout, which I briefly tried at at a Rental store where it was setup... still trying to like it/get into it), not until Twisted Metal 2 came out that finally made me want to try a PSX game.

I choose Sega Saturn ASAP because they had a rich heritage of great franchices, which included some of the best arcade games ever (and the most technically advanced too). Plus all Sega games had this special magic + games on Sega systems that could not be denied by a true gamer (well, just not a typical jo-blow casual gamer that's contributing to this videogame downfall that started with this nitche market becoming too mainstream due to the popularity of the PSX, is what I mean). Anyways, I started my Saturn gaming with Daytona USA & never regretted buying this system ever, even though it failed. As I still really love this system the best for some reason?

I know I'm always sounding negative towards S*ny & their PS, but I just hate what they did to the videogame market (what I explained in the last paragraph) + I miss Sega of old.

And in a way, if you are a Shining Force fan (one that's in pain due to no new & true Camelot SF game or at least a Camelot SF spin off in the series), it would seem that you must hate S*ny in some way or another too, no? I mean, if it wasn't for S*ny domination of the market with it's army of casual gamers, Sega Saturn would of still been around, and so would of Sega, Camelot & the true Shining Force as made by Camelot! Or at least one more game in the franchise made my Camelot...

I mean, maybe that's why SFC has S*ny beeped out?

wildrosebc @ Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:35 am) wrote:Good luck with your moving to the US. Got any idea where in the US you're gonna go?

My brother has a friend that's thriving in Miami. Sounds most excellent to me. And thanks for the best wishes... and sorry for the late reply... just knew this post was gonna take awhile. >_>

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 16 2010 3:16am
by Martin III
Sinful Force @ Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:19 am) wrote: And in a way, if you are a true Shining Force fan

Good grief. I beg of you... Never, ever use the phrase "true fan" again. I get such a massive twitch whenever I see that phrase. In fact, please lay off the use of "true" in relation to gaming and fandom entirely. It serves no purpose other than to be unabashedly snobby and elitist.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 16 2010 3:19am
by Omega Entity
Indeed. Besides that, S*ny isn't the only one to shovel out shit for a system. Every single publisher is guilty of that crime, so it's a rather fanboyish comment to make. And when I say fanboy, it's never a positive term.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 16 2010 5:56am
by Sinful Force
Martin III @ Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:16 pm) wrote: Good grief. I beg of you... Never, ever use the phrase "true fan" again. I get such a massive twitch whenever I see that phrase. In fact, please lay off the use of "true" in relation to gaming and fandom entirely. It serves no purpose other than to be unabashedly snobby and elitist.

Hmmm, never gave it that much thought. But yeah, sure, I see your point.

I'm taking it out as to avoid this whole "unabashedly snobby and elitist" thing. It sounds so terrible when you put it that way.


In regards to S*ny not being the only one shoveling out crap. I guess it's better to say that S*ny is a company that does not take any risks when making/pulishing games (or approving certain games to be made for their system), unlike Sega.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 16 2010 7:46pm
by Diggory
When these came out, my friend managed to find me a NiGHTs one, I was squeeing over it for a long time, then I saw that ShF3 was in here and squeed more.

I spotted a missing Spiriel, at least two Ninjas and at least two Birdmen, as well as the Produn somebody pointed out to me. The way that everyone was the same size looked a bit silly as well, it made Horst look huge.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25 2010 4:25pm
by Ashley
The new issue goes on sale this Thursday so there's only about four more days to track down a cover if you still want one. As far as I understand it, all unsold stock will then return to Imagine to be sold on the e-shop, so there may be a second chance in the coming weeks. Keep an eye on this just in case.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 16 2010 12:12am
by Poddster
Just have to tell you my story :)

I live in Finland and last Friday (a week ago) I went to a restaurant with my girlfriend, before we went there she wanted to go to the "academic bookstore" because they had one kind of a "super sale". I said, ok, I can always pick up the new number of Games TM, so we went there, and I headed for the magazines to pick upp issue 101, I couldnt belive my eyes when I saw it, they had not got the new issue yet and there it was, issue 100 with the Shining Force III cover!

I was so happy finding it, to be honest thats the only place I know in Finland that gets Games TM. And now I got the magazine to my (little) collection :thumbsup:

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 16 2010 6:59pm
by Ashley
Very lucky! It's nice to hear about another one finding its way to a fan.

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29 2010 7:11pm
by gamer_boy
Is possble to get some scans of this Shining Force III issue celebration?

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26 2011 12:03am
by waz
i'm going to be 100% honest
i love shining force and i'm also a big fan of shining in the darkness
i actually brought my sega genisis to college mostly just to play shining force
also i have an ipad and you can buy the rom of shining force on itunes so i can play it on the go now
but i didn't know the two games were connected
i also didn't know there was a second, let alone half dozen, other shining force games
thanks for the info everyone! :thumbsup:

Re: Shining Force III makes top 100 games of all time!

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26 2011 12:24pm
by Moogie
It must be great to find that out after all this time and now know you've got so many 'new' Shining games to play :) Hope you enjoy playing them if you can get hold of them.

Meanwhile, if you're a big fan of the originals, would you be able to lend your support to the SF:SOS campaign? http://sos.shiningforcecentral.com - we're celebrating the series' 20 anniversary with a bundle of fanmail to Camelot (the original developers), as well as videos telling them how much we love the series. The ulterior motive being to try to get them back on board as the developers! There's even a prize draw for everyone who sends a letter/video - some of the prizes are Shining games. Full info on the site.

Oh, and welcome to SFC by the way ;)