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Re: Max?

Postby Martin III » Fri Feb 29 2008 1:50am

Bleh, I shouldn't even be lurking on this board, seeing as how I've never played SF Neo.

However, it happens that I can partially answer your question, drewbster, and seeing as how no one else has stepped up to the plate... (glares around the room) Yes, it is universally or near universally accepted that Max and Kane are brothers. It's mentioned in the Japanese versions of both The Legacy of Great Intention and The Final Conflict, and the SFC translation of Final Conflict maintains that. The canon problems with RotDD lie elsewhere. I haven't played the game myself, but I hear that the origin of Dark Dragon is different, for one thing.

I think RotDD isn't even intended as canon. Maybe my memory deceives me, but I recall hearing that Sega has stated that RotDD and Shining Soul I are intended as alternate universe.
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Re: Max?

Postby Xaevyan » Sun Apr 13 2008 7:00pm

Most people accept that Max and Kane are brothers. Even though the English version of LoGI doesn't mention it. I know it's mentioned in SFFC.

I played Neo, but it didn't hold my attention. I don't really know it's story line, but I have played SHFI and RotDD. The storyline problems in RotDD and how they line up with LoGI and the rest of the Shining Force Universe (as far as I can tell) are pretty messed up. Lots of things, I noticed, don't exactly line up. Like how Dark Dragon supposively came about. Especially when you consider what the Storytellers in Tristan tell you about Darksol, Dark Dragon and Zeon. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

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While RotDD may "add info to the original plot" it also messes up the original facts. So, I don't really look at RotDD as a relation to the LoGI universe.

I've played LoGI so many times I can tell you whats in almost all the chests and almost quote the characters and never get tired of it. I've played RotDD once and could hardly force myself through it a second time to complete the Cards.
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Re: Max?

Postby Dominus_Draconis » Sun Apr 13 2008 7:34pm

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Re: Max?

Postby El Cabong! » Tue Jun 17 2008 4:34am

QUOTE (Dominus_Draconis @ Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:34 pm)
WARNING: SPOILER!

As Martin said, I shouldn't be here either as I have never played Neo. But DD and Lucifer are one in the same. I believe they renamed Lucifer, as DD, for English release.

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Draconis- I wasn't entirely sure if thats what you meant. You're wording kinda threw me off a touch..
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Re: Max?

Postby ehow22 » Mon Aug 25 2008 6:52pm

Kane/Cain/Cane, whatever he's being called now dies in both Shining Force Neo and SF1, so they cant possibly be the same. I thought Vandolf made an appearance at the last sequence.
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Re: Max?

Postby sulfuroxp » Mon Feb 23 2009 9:22pm

neo after SFI ???
or before

is after, how can you explain the Max Family in NEO

SFI is after NEO

part of NEO is in other continent, out of Rune... where Shining the Holy Ark - Wisdom - SFIII

is my theory...

so, the first Shining Saturn is not after SFII, but SFIII yes


and both SFI is the same :thumbsup:
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Re: Max?

Postby sulfuroxp » Sun Mar 28 2010 11:27pm

wow, how i can post this >___>

but Max and Kane are brothers, Kane die in SF1, both dragons are from the same race, Lucifer is DD, and i don't know what is a canon xD
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Re: Max?

Postby Dr. Casey » Thu Sep 02 2010 8:24am

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Re: Max?

Postby Kaihaku » Fri Sep 10 2010 8:36pm

sulfuroxp @ Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:27 pm) wrote: wow, how i can post this >___>

but Max and Kane are brothers, Kane die in SF1, both dragons are from the same race, Lucifer is DD, and i don't know what is a canon xD

Alternate universe. In my opinion, Neo is a drastic re-envisioning of the classic series much like Megaman Battle Network is a re-envisioning of Megaman. There are a lot of similarities but they are not the same.

Classic Max and Neo Max have some things in common but just look at them, they not the same character. Caine and Kane don't bear much resemblance to one another either.
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Re: Max?

Postby Martin III » Sat Sep 11 2010 11:03pm

Funny that this topic should be revived just as I find myself in need of some clarification about Neo Max. I was editing the Shining Wiki when I came upon the article for Max, which essentially implies that LoGI Max, RotDD Max, and Neo Max are all one and the same. Obviously this needs fixing, but before I do that I want to know exactly how it should be fixed.

We've well-established here that Neo is not set in the same world as Legacy of Great Intention. But that still leaves the question: What is the exact nature of the Neo world? More specifically, is Neo Max an alternate version of the LoGI Max, or a different person entirely? And if he is an alternate version, is he the same as RotDD Max, i.e. are Neo and Resurrection of the Dark Dragon set in the same universe?
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Re: Max?

Postby Kaihaku » Fri Sep 17 2010 3:46pm

Personally, I believe that Neo should be considered alternative universe. I think of it as a tribute to the original series rather than an addition to it.

Resurrection of the Dark Dragon is more difficult... I believe that it is the same Max as in the original Shining Force but there are some significant differences between the two versions, some due to changes during localization and some due to changes in the overall plot. Plenty of Shining experts around here who are far more aware of those differences than I am. Anyway, I'd say that the Resurrection of the Dark Dragon Max is a revision of the original Japanese Max. He bears more similarities to the original Japanese Max but brings a few new qualities to the table.
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Re: Max?

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Re: Max?

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Re: Max?

Postby Lord Oddeye sama » Wed Oct 12 2011 1:15pm

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Re: Max?

Postby Guthwulf » Sat Jan 14 2012 10:18pm

The wikipedia says that the information about the memory loss was left out in the english translation.

"The English translation of Shining Force has perhaps the most confusing errors and omissions of any translated game in the Shining series save the Working Designs translation of Shining Wisdom. Most notably, the backstory of Max, the protagonist of the game, is entirely left out. The original Japanese script tells that Max has amnesia and was found washed up on the beach by Lowe, who subsequently came to be his best friend. Later, it is revealed that Max is in fact the brother of Lord Kane of Runefaust. All these plot points were lost in the official translation. In the official translation Kane still expresses horror that Darksol forced him to fight Max, but without any explanation why."

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Re: Max?

Postby Omega Entity » Sat Jan 14 2012 10:31pm

And necro'd again. Yep, that all was clarified with the translation someone did here. See here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14517
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Re: Max?

Postby Rune » Sun Jan 15 2012 6:13pm

Also, it's clear Max and Cain are brothers for the simple reason that in a video game from this era if anyone has even the slightest chance of being your father, mother, sister, or brother then they are.
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Re: Max?

Postby Ansa » Thu Jan 26 2012 3:44pm

Guthwulf wrote:The wikipedia says that the information about the memory loss was left out in the english translation.

"The English translation of Shining Force has perhaps the most confusing errors and omissions of any translated game in the Shining series save the Working Designs translation of Shining Wisdom. Most notably, the backstory of Max, the protagonist of the game, is entirely left out. The original Japanese script tells that Max has amnesia and was found washed up on the beach by Lowe, who subsequently came to be his best friend. Later, it is revealed that Max is in fact the brother of Lord Kane of Runefaust. All these plot points were lost in the official translation. In the official translation Kane still expresses horror that Darksol forced him to fight Max, but without any explanation why."

Here the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_Force

Which is perfectly fine, still doesn't mean Neo has any actual relation to the original SF games, mainly considering Kain dies.

If you want to think anything of Neo then its an alternate universe/retelling of the original story with similar characters.
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Re: Max?

Postby Chaosgirl998 » Sat Mar 16 2013 7:00pm

I found out about shining force Neo it's not a shining force game it's a hack and slash game with the shining force in the title I mean come on it doesn't ever like a shining force game
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