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Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Skippy » Mon Jul 18 2005 5:01pm

i have xion at lvl 10 and i haven't used any stat points yet, but i did use all his skill points. so far i have lvl 1 thousand thrust,lvl 1 gravity...slash?, lvl 5 def up, lvl 2 accuracy up, lvl 1 evasion up. Can any one tell me which stats and skills are most beneficial to pump up for xion and elwyn? O and should i have used points on those skills ?
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Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Eric » Tue Jul 19 2005 1:22am

Elwyn is pretty straightforward, bump up her strength as much as you can and then put points in Dex if she misses too much. She goes through SP really fast, so INT is good if you want more juice, but main focus should be on STR and DEX. CON should be upped high enough to take at least 2-3 hits, remember your partner will be blocking for her so she should focus on offense. Level up Rapid Fire and NEVER touch dryad's allure or the AI will use it too much. Put a couple points into penetration and Critical as your leveling up rapid fire. Anti-Air is good especially if you plan on using other characters, as it will enable her to specialize at killing them, and many of the more fearsome enemies are flying. Link abilities for her are weak except multishot, but by the time that move is useful you need to have tons and tons of SP for both teammates later on in advanced mode, and if you have that much you probably had been neglecting strength or dex.

Xion's Thousand Thrust is all I needed, after that its all about his Auto skills. I think you put too much points into defense, evasion or accuracy are better later in the game. And in Advanced mode you begin to appreciate resist Thunder more. Synchro and chain attack are pretty good skill. Since Elwyn usually gets a bonus to her accuracy your going to realize that Xion needs more Dex than her. Also your going to have to be physically tougher than Elwyn so Con is a big deal especially early on. As with Elwyn a little INT is worthwile. Your remaining points should go into STR, but you'll find that since he had demanded more of the other stats Elwyn will be slightly stronger.

While its important not to neglect STR I should say that having a really high STR doesnt end up helping you too much. I mostly play offensively in RPG's but in this one its much more rewarding to take care of your defense or durability first, and then focus on how quickly you can eliminate your enemy.
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby ChillinVillain » Tue Jul 19 2005 3:46am

Think of Xion as an all-around character (like most main characters in games). His offense and defense should be balanced. But if you're going to be having Elwyn as a partner most of the time, I would advise boosting Xion's defense (which in your case you've done with his auto skill (defense up) so good) as he'll be working as a type of shield for Elwyn. Thousand Thrust is a must, by far, and you can pretty much stay away from his other Single Skills. Gavity Slash is not bad, but I would advise against it as you'll need the points for other skills. Spark sucks, plain and simple, and thunder blade sucks too. Thousand Thrust > all other moves. So boost it up as much as possible.

As I mentioned, Defense Up Skill is well worth spending a point on, along with Accuracy Skill. Later on you're definetely going to want plenty of accuracy. Try and spend a point here and there on Rist Thunder, Chain Power, and Synchronize too, as they're very helpful.

Now normally I would say SP is a huge factor, but for Xion it's not. You'll find plenty of SP recovery items as you journey, and they don't cost much at the item shop anyways, so don't worry about boosting Xion's INT up too much. Try to focus on Constitution early in the game, as you'll need plenty of HP, and not so much Strength or Intelligence. Agility is good, but not huge, try and spend some time on that every so often if you feel you're missing too much or getting hit too often. Trust me, you'd rather have plenty of HP, especially later on in the game, rather than fall short. And later on when is starts getting a little more difficult, that's when you can lay off Constitution and focus more on Strength.

Now, Elwyn. She's definetely more of an offense character than a defense. For her skills, basically just level up Rapid Fire (in the beginning) as much as possible, anything else is really just a waste. If you're going to do that, make sure she has plenty of Intelligence, as she's going to need it, especially if you have the AI using her because they use Rapid Fire like there's no tomorrow, so within seconds of starting the battle, she could be out of SP depending on how high a level Rapid Fire is. (Keep in mind that Xion isn't going to have much SP either, so using SP recovery items will help Elwyn as well). That's why you should try and level up Penetration and Critical. Those become huge later on in the game when it becomes harder.

As I mentioned, she's more of an offense based character, so there's no need (to a certain extent) to worry about her defense and HP. But you're going to have to spend a few status points on Constitution every so often. She'll be behind Xion most of the time in battle, so if she's going to attack, you don't want her to miss, and when she does get attacked you want her to dodge it, so make sure to give her plenty of Agility too. Strength is not a waste in Status Points by far, so fill her up on Strength. To sum up: don't worry about her Constitution much, try and balance everything else; more so on Strength, though.

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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Skippy » Tue Jul 19 2005 5:12am

thanks alot guys for the very detailed responses. just wondering exactly how much should i put on the auto skills and thousand thrust ? should i max them ?
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby ChillinVillain » Tue Jul 19 2005 6:07am

You'll eventually want to max out Thousand Thrust and the auto skills. Try to focus mainly on Thousand Thrust to begin with, though, and max that out first. Accuracy and Evasion shouldn't be much of a problem unitl later on.

Again, I would advise wasting points on other Single Skills.
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Skippy » Tue Jul 19 2005 6:14am

thanks i started over so now i dont have gravity slash. it only took me about 30 mins to get back to where i was because i wasn't that far lol
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby ChillinVillain » Tue Jul 19 2005 6:26am

That's good. I mean, really it's not that bad, but clearly Thousand Thrust is Xion's ultimate Single Skill, and there's really no point in wasting Skill Points on other Single Skills.

Good choice with Elwyn, by the way. She's my favorite character, and one of (if not) the best. :)
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Skippy » Tue Jul 19 2005 5:17pm

thanks im still a little confused on the auto skills like xions def up and elwyns penetration and critical and antiariel. should i max those skills ?
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby zer0kage » Tue Jul 19 2005 5:30pm

Skippy @ Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:17 pm) wrote: thanks im still a little confused on the auto skills like xions def up and elwyns penetration and critical and antiariel. should i max those skills ?

Penetration and Critical only.

Def up is also good. Btw if you like Link skills be sure to get Gravity Slash.
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Eric » Tue Jul 19 2005 8:02pm

here's the thing, once you get into advanced mode you can raise skills up to level 20. The big skills like Thousand Thrust, Rapid Fire, Critical, Penetration should all be maxed out in normal mode. But in advanced mode you'll find 15 to be the best thousand thrust level. Because if you go to 16 or beyond it wastes more SP for a really small boost. Since Rapid Fire doesnt go up in cost past 15 thats more worth it, but those 3 skills of hers should be maxed out as soon as you can. Xion's auto skills are sorta up to you, but its good to spend at least 1 point into each as the initial bonus is good on all of them. Remember the max level is 99.
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby ChillinVillain » Wed Jul 20 2005 2:59am

Exactly. Elwyn doesn't have much to choose from when it comes to Skills. Basically in Normal Mode you're going to want to max out Rapid Fire, Penetration, and Critical. But later, in Advance mode, things become a little more tough and you're going to need to spend points on other things. Focus on Normal Mode for now and just max everything, or try to at least. Let's face it - 10 level's isn't much, so maxing out Rapid Fire shouldn't be a problem, but once into Advance, and Skills can be upgraded to level 20, then maxing out isn't your best option. All in all, don't spend points on Skills you don't need. Dryad's Allure or Spark for example. Pure crap.
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Skippy » Wed Jul 20 2005 3:09am

ok so for xion i have
41 str
41 agi
30 int
50 con
and for elwyn
55 str
45 agi
34 int
28 con

And both of them are at level 15 how am i doing with my stats so far ?
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby ChillinVillain » Wed Jul 20 2005 6:38pm

I'd say pretty good, but try and lay off the Strength a tad and add a little more to Intelligence for Elwyn. Not bad, though.
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Skippy » Thu Jul 21 2005 2:49am

cool thanks, so i guess i'll spend some points on int for elwyn. Should xion's agi be higher then his str and should his con be higher then both str and agi ?
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby ChillinVillain » Thu Jul 21 2005 3:03am

Actually I would try and balance them all. But if one's going to be higher than the other, make it Consitution. It's up to you really, if you feel you're not doing enough damage, up Strength a little. Or if you're missing too much, up Agility. Your call.
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Skippy » Thu Jul 21 2005 4:50am

how about elwyn, should she have an equal amount of agi and str as well ?
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby ChillinVillain » Thu Jul 21 2005 5:26am

Pretty much, yeah. Hold on, let me check my game..

I have Elwyn at 73 Strength and 90 Agility. She's level 63, so I guess I should tell you more Agility, but more Strength isn't a bad thing either. Again, I would just try to balance them out.
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Skippy » Thu Jul 21 2005 6:30am

cool thanks
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Eric » Thu Jul 21 2005 7:33am

My Elwyn is at about the same level Reinhart and she BARELY ever misses in advanced tower of heaven. She is about 1.5 times more strength than Agility. If you boost your INT alot, you still will eventually run out. And when your doing normal attacks all that matters is your STR and AGI. Its nice to have decent INT, but I still say DEX and STR is better (at least in my opininion). Just because she is an elf and an archer doesnt mean you have to follow the stereotype. By the end of the game if Elwyn has 70 dex that should be decent, if you hate missing pump it to 90, probably never miss there if you use the right bow at the end.

As for Xion I tended to have something like this: 80 STR 80 CON 60 AGI 60 INT. at one point thats what I had, if I had to redo anything it would probably be to use less INT and put that in the other 3 stats. But for me STR and CON were the most important. Especially CON. If you don't focus on STR it will be hard to dish out good damage to the last boss on Advanced mode, and for me I was relying on Volg(AI) to do the damage.
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Re: Need some help with stat building and skills

Postby Skippy » Fri Jul 22 2005 4:15am

are you sure you have 1.5 times more str then agi for elwyn? because that would mean you have 105 str and isn't that too much ? well anyways how much str and con is good for xion then? and how much int is a good amount for elwyn ?
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