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Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25 2007 1:12am
by Demonic Weasel
Domingo43 cited the quote, "Kane dies" as definitive proof that he's dead by the time FC roles around. I pointed out that there were some implied deaths that turned out to not be true deaths and he tried to detract from that point. So I detracted from his detraction.

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26 2007 10:21pm
by Martin III
I still don't see why you can't take the explicit statement "Kane dies" as definitive proof that Kane is dead.

Another thing I've just noticed. Max was talking to Ian when he said this, so if he was referring to Kane, wouldn't it make a lot more sense for him to say "your father's place" rather than "my brother's place"? I mean, unless Max is completely narcissistic...

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26 2007 10:24pm
by Demonic Weasel
I'm not sure about this, but wasn't that same quote used for Darksol? Because he definitely didn't die at the end of SF1. I'm willing to concede that it's an indication, but no more than that.

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27 2007 9:35pm
by Martin III
I'm not sure about the quote with regard to Darksol either, but Darksol definitely did die at the end of Shining Force I. It's simply that, being a devil king, he can be resurrected.

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29 2007 11:53pm
by Demonic Weasel
I always took that to mean that his copreal body was destroyed but that he was in no way killed. The theories come to the same point however.

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30 2007 8:37am
by Alpha
There's always the thought that if any Shining Force member can be raised by the powers of light, any warrior of evil could be raised by the powers of darkness.

Just an idea (not sure if I think it valid or not right now).

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30 2007 11:12pm
by Martin III
Demonic Weasel @ Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:53 pm) wrote: I always took that to mean that his copreal body was destroyed but that he was in no way killed.

:lol: What do you think dying is, beyond having your corporeal body destroyed? Are you telling me that if I were to destroy your corporeal body right now, you could still be alive!? :fear:

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30 2007 11:14pm
by Demonic Weasel
Yes, but Darksol is a Devil King. The point being that he doesn't actually 'die' in the sense that the word is generally used.

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Tue May 01 2007 1:14am
by Alpha
Which is sort of what I was just trying to point out.

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Tue May 01 2007 2:37am
by Demonic Weasel
You were broadening the point to encompass all that serve darkness though. I was specifically speculating as to the powers of a Devil King. Worthy idea though.

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03 2015 6:28pm
by Lucifer
Since recent studies show that RotDD (extras excluded) is more canonical than we originally thought, I propose that Max could've been referring to Metapha or some similar "realm of the Ancients" when he said, "my brothers place." Although the Castle of the Ancients sank to the depths of the sea, it is never stated nor implied that the rest of the Ancients ruined civilization was destroyed along with it.

The Aforementioned Studies: http://forums.shiningforcecentral.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16147

Re: What happened at the end of FC and what

PostPosted: Fri Mar 17 2017 1:54am
by Wulfunruh
Wrench. On no grounds at all... Oddeye is the third brother.